- Chris Street
Atheists on Religion: AC Grayling and Tim Crane at the LSE 1 hour audio on the discussion: http://huffduffer.com/briansuda/27323 - Chris Street
7': ACG - Agoblinist/Afairyist, Naturalist, freethinker. 8': secularism 12': Bishops are the little men behind the Wizard of Oz. Religious views should be proportioned down - reduce amplification; 13' Humanistic ethics and morals. TC from 15': Once you've decided that you are an atheist its boring, atheism has no ethical content, 17' don't rejoice in atheism, just accept. More interesting is what to think about religion and what to do about it, 18': disagrees with 4 horsemen (false & irrational) - Chris Street
19' New Atheists want to eliminate influences of religion; cosmological matter - how the world is. Arguements against god. Are Religionists irrational? 22' People are unmoved, talk past each other. 23' Religion main content is feeling of 'theres more to it than this - ineffable mystery and structure of the world'. 24' the Trinity is mysterious. 25' Identification. Most people are not interested in hypothesis. Bishops are irrelevant to secularisation. - Chris Street
AC from 27'30: Church created primary schools in 1800s to combat fairies! Atheists arguements do change Christians. Religions are on backfoot - secularisation is everywhere. Non-religious have doubled in 15 years. Religions feel threatened. eg muslims who see western girls in bikinis! Death throes of religion cf 16/17th century - wars of religion - 33': 30 years war - church lost power. Religions have hijacked emotional responses eg secular spirit of world. 35': The Fred move - god of the gaps - Chris Street
36': science lives ok with uncertainty. Religion wants neat story (30 mins for religion, 3 years for physics). Fairys and tooth fairy. Religions are NOT harmless - Fred did it move. - Chris Street
Tim Crane: 38' 45: Spiritual feelings - this world is fundamentally mysterious say the religions. AC: 41' 30: religions were proto-science, religions developed as understanding - agencies moved to mountain tops, then the sun/sky, then heavens. Trajectory of deities further and further away. 44': numinous, wrong type of mushrooms! Recent in history of man. Roman empire religio 'to bind'; early Christians were called atheists! - Chris Street
Tim Crane 47': why are Catholic funerals so sad if they are going to heaven! Cosmological side is not too important for religious. AC 49': dishonest to say that you will meet loved ones again. Give fellow humans comfort instead. CCTV replace all seeing god! TC 52' Happiness is more important than truth for some people. AC 53' the Noble Lie cf would you tell everyone about a meteor. Zeus = Christian story. Don't let churches off the hook. Resist that way of thinking. - Chris Street
58' questioner - tooth fairy and Father Xmas don't persist because they don't save you from dying! Religions force comes from denial of death. 59' Q: what happens when religious attitude eg sexuality leads to unhappiness TC 60': death is a mystery - why should ones life end? In some cases it is better for someone to believe in something false and be happy. AC 61' anxiety about death can be because havn't achieved enough. 63' you can't be afraid of nothing - which is what death is! - Chris Street
AC 64': cruelty of religions frightening old people who think they could go to hell. AC 66': 1.3 Billion Chinese prove that the innate concept of god is wrong!! AC 70': 99% of religious take on the religion of their culture / parents. AC 78': if churches closed their doors tomorrow we wouldn't be losing anything! 'To set Promethius free' AC book http://tinyurl.com/7dop9g2 proof of non-existence of god. 80' Totalitarianism - dictators Stalin, Hitler - shocking to think about defending an ideology - 1000s - Chris Street
1000s die - Enlightenment - diversity of opinons. TC 82': would not lament loss of religion - but speculation would disappear (CGS: what about science!!). TC 87': creationism is a problem in USA not in UK (what the..!) AC 89': what is a non-fundamental atheist!
Tuesday, November 22, 2011
AC Grayling and Tim Crane - 'Atheists on Religion' Synopsis
source: http://www.meetup.com/HASSNERS/events/41900842/?a=ea1_lnm&rv=ea1. Listen to audio: http://huffduffer.com/briansuda/27323 or mp3 download: http://richmedia.lse.ac.uk/publicLecturesAndEvents/20100512_1830_atheistsOnReligion.mp3
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